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Can Jamaica pray away Hurricane Dean?
Posted by: JeffMasters, 1:15 AM GMT on August 19, 2007
Can Jamaica pray away Hurricane Dean? The official forecast and nearly all of the computer models have put Jamaica in the bulls-eye for several days now. But hurricanes have a funny way of taking 11th-hour wobbles that spare the island a direct hit. Witness the remarkable turn Hurricane Ivan took in 2004, as it headed directly for the island with 145 mph winds. Ivan took a sudden turn 35 miles from the island, traced out an exact outline of the island's coast 35 miles offshore, then resumed its previous track. In the Jamaica Observer, Custos of Kingston, Reverend Carmen Stewart, contends that it was not the first time that prayers had influenced the turn of events when disaster faced Jamaica. "It has happened time and time again," Reverend Stewart says. "I know people have been praying and I don't see any other reason why it (the hurricane) would make such a drastic turn.... God hears prayer."
Figure 1. Hurricane Ivan as it miraculously skirted the island of Jamaica. Image credit: jamaicancaves.org.
Category 5 Hurricane Allen took an odd wobble around the island, too, but Hurricane Gilbert of 1988 did not. Can Jamaicans pray away Hurricane Dean? Well, the recent motion of Dean has been more due west, which may bring the storm just south of the island. Keep praying, Jamaica!
Evening everyone. Sure looks like Dean is going through eyewall replacement cycle. SullivanWeather & I watched it do the same thing last nite. Might I also add cause their has been ALOT of talk on here about it, NHC sure "seems" to have a perfect track.
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DEAN is feeling the land interaction friction now. The internal organization is fully disrupted as one full quarter, the north side, and also the strong right shoulder of the storm, is completely blocked from sea surface water vapor replenishment. Dean's heat engine is running on three cylinders now, and it's sputtering. None-the-less, Ivan went through this too in '04 and came out of it a category 5 after shedding lots of rainbands here on these seaside mountains.
The water's so warm around Jamaica though, that any intensity lost because of the mountains could be regained by the time Dean comes near (or hits) Jamaica.
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I think the Caymen Islands will be the ones needing prayers. Those are tiny blips compared to Jamaica and will be whalloped completely if Dean hits at its full force by the monstrous storm surge.
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Looks like the ULL is almost moving towards the SW...I can't see the ridge that is supposed to be building over the SE....And the ULL looks to be in no hurry
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Posted By: kingdomusa at 7:30 AM GMT on August 19, 2007. I think we need to read Dr Master's blog again! It is clear that even the best forecaster acknowledges the providence of the Hand of God. We have been praying here in PA for 4 or 5 days now that Dean would make a turn toward the south. We have two churches and many friends in those churches in Jamaica. Many people are praying. The churches in Jamaica will be full of praying people on Sunday morning. Just watch what happens. God is.
So when it takes a new course and hits somewhere else and kills a lot of people and wrecks the place, you and your prayers are to blame for moving the course of the storm, right? Just checking so I know where to send the lawyers with the summons for damages. BTW, what is your address?
How do you think the ULL moving so slowly and towards the SW will affect Deans eventual path after he clears Jamaica? Also I can't wait to see the models after the data from the NOAA jet is fed into them tomorrow
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Posted By: JFLORIDA at 7:39 AM GMT on August 19, 2007. I don't think the mountains have had much to do with convection dying near the eye. The north part of the storm is probably weakened but as has been said the water is very warm there. Pressures in the area is dropping - The ridge has, to my surprise built firmly in to the north - I think it could intensify before landfall unfortunately
I don't know what you call "landfall" but hurricane-force winds are raking two countries at this instant in time. Not to mention that ten to twenty inches or rain are being squeezed out of those clouds in the northern quadrant.
Posted By: sullivanweather at 7:42 AM GMT on August 19, 2007. It could still have some trouble re-firing before getting close to Jamacia. There's a pocket of SST's under 28°C
Could you post the corrected graphic, because the one you did post has no yellow, under 28C, and only a pocket of light orange above 28C.
I live in Houston and I sure hope that if Dean makes landfall here, it won't be another Katrina. Bush has signed off on a "pre-emptive" state of emergency declaration. Dallas is sending 200 school buses to aid in evacuation for those who can't make it alone. HPD and HFD said today, "we are confident we can handle whatever comes our way." Hmmm...I'm feeling a little sarcastic...maybe it's due to ohh I don't know..memories of Rita!
Posted By: Cheyanne at 2:47 AM CDT on August 19, 2007.
I live in Houston and I sure hope that if Dean makes landfall here, it won't be another Katrina. Bush has signed off on a "pre-emptive" state of emergency declaration. Dallas is sending 200 school buses to aid in evacuation for those who can't make it alone. HPD and HFD said today, "we are confident we can handle whatever comes our way." Hmmm...I'm feeling a little sarcastic...maybe it's due to ohh I don't know..memories of Rita!
I agree all the way!!!! 5hrs to get from The Woodlands to Conroe--normal trip 20 min. It was a bad bad thing to go through. I Dont know if it will be any better it this so much as winks our way!
The ULL in the GOM is moving west. You can see it at the above link and the NHC said:
DISCUSSION...
THE GULF OF MEXICO... WEAK SURFACE RIDGING IS OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO WITH RIDGE AXIS ALONG 30N. THUS SURFACE WINDS ARE MOSTLY FROM THE SE AT 10-15 KT. A PATCH OF SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS OVER THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE NEAR FROM 30N-31N BETWEEN 85W-86W. SIMILAR CONVECTION IS OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE FROM 18N-20N BETWEEN 91W-93W. THE REMAINDER OF THE GULF OF MEXICO IS VOID OF CONVECTION. IN THE UPPER LEVELS...AN UPPER LEVEL LOW IS CENTERED OVER THE ERN GULF NEAR 25N86W MOVING W. CYCLONIC FLOW IS BETWEEN 80W-94W. UPPER LEVEL RIDGING IS OVER THE WRN GULF PRODUCING NLY FLOW W OF 94W. ALL EYES ARE ON HURRICANE DEAN WHICH IS EXPECTED TO MOVE INTO THE W/SW PORTION OF THE GULF ON TUE NIGHT.
Posted By: MeteorodelGolfo at 7:47 AM GMT on August 19, 2007. Bla, bla, bla, bla, por favor, dejen de estar especulando; hasta el momento solo hay que tomar en cuenta lo que los expertos no dicen y los expertos son simple y sencillamente el NHC. Espero y entiendan Español y si no pues traduscanlo.
I used an online translator. You said the following, right?
Bla, bla, bla, bla, if you please, ceases they must be to speculate; to those times compulsory only to accept into the examination of znatki they do not tell and simply znatki and simply will be NHC. Ii1 thus it awaits and I understand Spaniard and not therefore traduscanlo.
That's what I thought you said, but just checking.
If "The Weather Channel has over a hundred meteorologists to keep you informed about Hurricane Dean," where the heck are they now? Couldn't at least one work the overnight shift and give at least a cursory report? They've been playing videos for an hour. Useless!
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Redrobin...you feel my frustration. lol It took us 19 hours to get from Baytown to Hwy 6! I just said last night..once you've pee'd in your vehicle...you begin to realize something's gone array (sp)lol That whole situation is why so many people will refuse to leave for the next one.
Hypothetically speaking, cant that ULL over the Gulf develop tropically... I mean, the environment is conducive for tropical development and it already has a circulation... It just needs to reach the surface
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I'm curious... If you live in The Woodlands, why were you evacuating for Rita? Especially when 500,000+ folks south of you that NEEDED to evacuate were trying to get out? Maybe you are simply saying that it took you 5 hours to get from point B to C (I hope).
The ULL in the GOM is moving west. You can see it at the above link and the NHC said:
DISCUSSION...
THE GULF OF MEXICO... WEAK SURFACE RIDGING IS OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO WITH RIDGE AXIS ALONG 30N. THUS SURFACE WINDS ARE MOSTLY FROM THE SE AT 10-15 KT. A PATCH OF SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS OVER THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE NEAR FROM 30N-31N BETWEEN 85W-86W. SIMILAR CONVECTION IS OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE FROM 18N-20N BETWEEN 91W-93W. THE REMAINDER OF THE GULF OF MEXICO IS VOID OF CONVECTION. IN THE UPPER LEVELS...AN UPPER LEVEL LOW IS CENTERED OVER THE ERN GULF NEAR 25N86W MOVING W. CYCLONIC FLOW IS BETWEEN 80W-94W. UPPER LEVEL RIDGING IS OVER THE WRN GULF PRODUCING NLY FLOW W OF 94W. ALL EYES ARE ON HURRICANE DEAN WHICH IS EXPECTED TO MOVE INTO THE W/SW PORTION OF THE GULF ON TUE NIGHT.
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About JeffMasters:
Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.